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whither Palestine?


By azizhp
Posted on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 06:11:08 AM EST
Tags: Israel, Palestine, peace (all tags)

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I am fascinated by the fascination we muslims tend to have for the Israeili Palestine conflict. Looking at my earliest blogging at UNMEDIA/City of Brass I see that I was hardly immune. Why? What is it about the struggle that so dominates our attention?

To be honest I have become a hardliner in recent years. What moral righeousness the Palestinians had, they have squandered in their support for desperation acts of violence against the innocents in Israel. And there are far more worthy oppressed peoples - including the former subjects of Saddam Hussein's and the Taliban's rule, and the pitiable women and children of Darfur today.

Ultimately I think that we lose part of our own moral outrage by focusing so exclusively on the middle east conflict at the expense of all others, and by making teh excuses we do. It undermines our own efforts to distance ourselves from the truly evil actions of terrorists worldwide who wrap themselves in our faith, when we turn a blind eye to the actions of the Palestinian movement which - it cannot be denied thouhg it is easy to explain - has broad support within the Palestinian community.

Ask yourself, muslims of the west. Were the Klu Klux Klan to run for election on a genuinely ideal domestic platform, of fair taxation, just foreign policy, religious tolerance, civil rights.. or heck even just promising to make the trains run on time and the electricity on 24/7, would we vote for them? I woud not. Yet that is the choice that the Palestinians made. Granted, I am not desperate, I am free. But we expect the onus of resolution to fall entirely upon the Israelis? It cannot. It will not. It takes two sides to maintain a status quo, and moral authority, once relinquished in bits and pieces, cannot so incrementally be regained.

It is absolutely true that the Israelis have fumbled the ball for peace as surely as it is true that Arafat did. Arafat was wise not to accept teh Barak peace plan, but he cynically tried to keep pressure on Isrrael by legitimizing terror attacks on civilians, which gave sufficient excuse to Sharon for unilateral action. Sharon himself directly undermined the Taba accords, choosing to play to his settler base. But these two men are gone from the scene now and the landscape is different. The Lebanon war, the US elections, the war in Iraq have changed the long term prospects so that there is near concensus that the old status quo - which the Bush Administration implicitly endorsed by its silence and lack of leadership - is not sustainable.

And it isn't as if peace is an intractable solution. In fact it is quite simple: resolution of the conflict requires genuine sacrifice by both parties. The ideal framework would be along the lines of the Taba accords and the King Abdullah proposal. It will require that the Palestinians abandon the right of return, and accept some form of financial recompense in its stead to only those displaced families whose property claims can be verified. It will require that Israel dismantle all settlements in the West Bank, and relocate the settlers. It will require that a administrative body with authority over joint issues such as water rights and transportation be established. It will require NATO security guarantees of Jerusalem as a open city, the capital of both nations. It will require peace through diplomacy with Syria, with Damascus granted economic trade rights, security guarantees, and teh return of the Golan Heights in return for total cessation of military and financial support for Hizbollah. It will require bilateral normalization of diplomatic relations with every Arab country. It woudl require Israel to eventually be invited to join the Arab League and begin to interact with its neighbors as a neighbor and member of the regional identity, not a Western satellite. It will require Arab nations to carry Israeli satellite television  as part of their media feeds and absolute sanitzation of all anti-Semitic rhetoric in their educational systems.

In short, it will require that both sides accept as an axiom the humanity of the other, build a regional identity, and foster economic and cultural links.

Or more succinctly, it will require abandoning old prejudices and grievances, and looking forward. And I state without reservation that the internal challenge - the greater jihad - is harder for the muslims here than it is for the jews. Which makes it all the more incumbent.

Without peace, there can be no justice. That is the flip of the old axiom, and I believe that this formulation is the more relevant one.

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Is this peace plan acceptable?
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No - unfair to muslims/Arabs
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Whither binational state?(none / 0) (#1)
by zack on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:21:25 AM EST
Aziz: Have you moved away from the binational state idea? If you have, that's great!
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sort of(none / 0) (#2)
by azizhp on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:26:34 AM EST
i think that federalism is a better solution than a truly binational state. I was convinced of this mainly by Jonathan (head heeb) a few years ago back when i first investigated that whole option.

Ironically if Iraq ends up in a supe-rffederalism kind of pseudo-partition, then Israel and Iraq might well converge on the same kind of generic governnance framework, only from opposite directions!  

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poll results(none / 0) (#3)
by azizhp on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:41:44 AM EST
I guess the poll results are both disappointing and encouraging. I am disappointed that cynicism is so pervasive that 1/4th of the poll results indicate that the mideast problem is unsolvable. However I am heartened by the fact that no one (yet) thinks that my proposal is unfair to one side or the other.

What is needed is for a popular will to exert itself. The people of Palestine and Israel themselves are where the impetus for change has to come from. They are eth ones who must bring their leaders to the table. It wont happen top-down, because of the political risk.

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ah well i guess I spoke too soon(none / 0) (#6)
by azizhp on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 10:24:48 AM EST
If someone votes for either "unfair to ..." option in the poll, kindly do leave a comment expressing why, and how you'd fix it to make it less unfair.

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US elections(none / 0) (#4)
by thabet on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:45:49 AM EST
I honestly cannot see what change the US elections will have on the I/P situation.
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honest broker(none / 0) (#5)
by azizhp on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 09:55:54 AM EST
foreign policy at present is one-sided. A multilateralist like Bush Sr or Clinton is needed to pursue diplomacy with Syria, approach the issue from a regional framework, pressure Israel to hold up its end of tehbargain while the EU pressures the Palestinians tohold theirs, etc.

And the new democratic majority in congress can at least moderate the present Administration's unilateralist policy. In fact Bush appointed Robert Gates, a known foreign policy realist from his father's administration, to replace Rumsfeld - directly as a consequence of the election. So there will already be a major change at the cabinet level in policy.

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A Closer Look(none / 0) (#11)
by sigmund carl and alfred on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 07:17:21 AM EST
In point of fact, American foreign policy re the Israel and the Middle East has been remarkably consistent since 1948.

Cessation of violence, mutual recognition, secure borders and full diplomatic relations.

Unless and until Arab states agree to those principles (none of which are particularly onerous), peace will remain a mirage.

That said, it is clear that the dysfunctional Arab leaders have have no interest in peace with Israel. Why should they? Peace with Israel only endangers their grip on their nations. Without Israel an outward facing outlet for their frustrations, peace would only mean that Arab population's would for their rage inwards, toward their own regimes. When you factor in the reality  that overnight, Palestine would be the per capita, the most educated and economically advanced Arab nation in the ME, the despots want to avoid the inevitable 'why don't we have good universities and a functioning economy' questions, at all costs.
 

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American FP(none / 0) (#12)
by thabet on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 07:45:34 AM EST
I'm not sure sure, SC&A. Wasn't the US actually suspicious of Israel's founders' socialist leanings?
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Yup..(none / 0) (#15)
by sigmund carl and alfred on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 11:54:47 AM EST
You are right, sort of.

Prior to the UN vote, Israel's biggest supporters were Russia and other eastern bloc nations. In fact, most of the weapons brought into Israel pre-1948 came from communist countries. The hope was that the Jewish communists and socialists would 'fall into line' and a middle eastern bastion of communism might take root. In fact, communist Russia was the first country to cast a 'yes' for the 1948 partition plan.

In what is a great irony in ME history, when push came to shove, the Israelis adopted democracy and the Arab nations were to forge ties with the Soviets.

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not really consistent(none / 0) (#14)
by azizhp on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 08:20:10 AM EST
duriong the 60s, the US was hardly a staunch ally.

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I agree(none / 0) (#7)
by AnonyMouse on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 10:34:33 AM EST
I thoroughly agree. Last year for school I did a project on the Palestinian/Israeli conflict... (link: http://www.freewebs.com/bintyounus)

Anyhow, my conclusion was pretty much the same. I'll just copy & paste from my site:

 "I think that there should just be one state, governed by a government that includes Muslims, Jews, and Christians. That way each religion is represented and disagreements can be resolved peacefully. If anyone - Jews, Muslims, or Christians - wish to move to Palestinian, it will be an immigration issue for the government to deal with. Although there will certainly be a lot of issues to deal with, no doubt the region will be under scrutiny from the rest of the world, and hopefully if the UN can stand by as a mediator, things will eventually be resolved peacefully.

  The first steps towards such a solution should be for all world leaders to get together, put aside their own agendas and prejudices, and declare their support of the one state solution. Israel should be ordered to disarm, and their weapons taken away or destroyed. The Palestinian resistance should also be made to understand that further violence would be counter-productive, and their weapons, too, should be taken away. Neither side should be allowed to have anything that would contribute to further violence. Next, the walls - literal and figurative - between Palestinians and Israelis need to be destroyed. Dialogue, which everyone agrees is vitally important, must begin: the opening of hearts and minds. Local leaders, in unison with world leaders, must stand up and support the one state solution, and use all their influence to calm their people down and start participating in the dialogue, and then, the rebuilding of their land."
Musings of a Muslim Mousehttp://www.muslimmouse.blogspot.com

no, not binational(none / 0) (#8)
by azizhp on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 11:55:59 AM EST
you are arguing for a binational state. As I mentioned upthread to Zack, that isnt a viable goal, at least not in the short run.

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Why not?(none / 0) (#9)
by AnonyMouse on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 12:43:42 PM EST
May I ask why you don't think so?

Perhaps I am being idealistic, but I do think that it's the best solution... because if there are two states, borders will be forever a point of contention, among other things.
Musings of a Muslim Mousehttp://www.muslimmouse.blogspot.com
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Binational State niave(none / 0) (#10)
by rvail136 on Thu Nov 16, 2006 at 03:38:25 PM EST
A binational state will not work as neither side has any desire to "live together peacefully".  Aziz's proposal is the first time I've ever heard a reasonable solution that might even work put forward by either side (i.e. Muslim or Jew).  

I think that his proposal is the only viable solution as the EU and US have no desire to fund the PA as it is now constituted.  But this will only work if pressure can be brought to bear on both the Israelis and Palestinians (and by extension Syria) by the US, EU, Russia, Iran, Egypt and Saudi Arabia, as these are the "major players" in the area.

Additionally, I very firmly disagree with the poll that this proposal is unfair to the the jews...it's the only fair proposal that's been put forward by anyone in more than 50 years of conflict.

R A Vail, Ph.D.
Pikesville, MD USA

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Bravo!(none / 0) (#13)
by Samaha on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 08:06:35 AM EST
Excellent article.

I whole heartedly agree, accept that I go as far as to say that some of the larger settlement blocs within the WB should stay.  I just don't think it is feasible to dismantle them, economically and politically it could disrail the peace process altogether.

Peace will happen within our lifetime.  Palestinians are a little wiser these days, simple talks of dissolving the palestinian government is proof of that, as disolving the Palestinian government would throw this conflict into a one state solution brick wall.  We all know that that isn't the answer.



Excellent article(none / 0) (#16)
by Cafe Alpha on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:48:49 PM EST
In all our talks the one place I that I felt we connected was when I said that Israelis can't put their children and neighborhoods at risk by allowing the return of Palestinians who've been taught, over the last generation or two, that God wants them to kill the Jews...  And you agreed that there had to be some separation between the populations until things cool down some generations from now.

Anyway, I just spent some time arguing with a member of Hizbullah (over at Michael Totten's web site) and he was saying that there has to be war on Israel until Israel agrees to this right of return.

It's not sure why he wants this means.  He may just want Palestinians out of Lebanon, since he's a Shiite who frankly seems to want all non-Shiites out of Lebanon (he spoke of "unpatriating" Christian Palestinians).  Then he went back to his own web site and wrote, in Arabic, that we must all fight to eliminate the infidels who defile the Al Asqa Mosque...  Sigh.

Anyway, early in our conversation, when I though he might actually mean what he was saying, I was moved to write this post saying that granting the right of return would cause sectarian violence, that Muslims all over the world seem to be fighting for something that isn't possible, unless they really want to turn Israel into another Iraq, and I now think to add, Jerusalem into another Baghdad.

Sorry for the editting error(none / 0) (#17)
by Cafe Alpha on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 02:52:10 PM EST
Oops I made an editing error.

I tried to edit the sentence "I'm not sure what he means" into "I'm not sure what he wants" and somehow stopped halfway done with the nonsense sentence: "It's not sure why he wants this means."

Oops.

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I also want to thank you(none / 0) (#18)
by Cafe Alpha on Fri Nov 17, 2006 at 03:02:51 PM EST
I also want to thank you for the wise and civilized remark, "Without peace, there can be no justice."

That's very important.  The Palestinian conflict has promoted the opposite slogan, "No Justice, No Peace!", often seen at peace rallies despite the fact that it was very cleverly designed to preempt all calls for peace, and it fools some people into supporting not peace but violence. It's an open-ended sanction for violence.

I have written about my outrage at seeing this pro-violence slogan at peace rallies.

After all, who is supposed to decide that there's enough "justice" that we can have peace now? Hamas? Hezbollah? How about Syria? Exactly who are they appealing to as Judge when they carry those "No Peace" signs?



Why I feel this is unfair(none / 0) (#19)
by Andy on Sat Nov 18, 2006 at 05:45:38 AM EST
Aziz,
  While I commented more deeply on my own blog, the unfairness of this proposal comes in several parts.   First, the Palestinians, and the Arab nations at large, have generally proven themselves to be untrustworthy actors when it comes to deals with Israel.   Second, this proposal requires that Israel give up items of real and permanent value, in exchange for future promises.  Third, this proposal does not set a renunciation of anti-Israel violence as a precondition for any steps on Israel's part.

-Andy



On the Future(none / 0) (#20)
by Russel on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 12:06:07 PM EST
Coming from South Africa we always believed peace and reconciliation is possible. So we moved to Israel...

The future envisaged in your peace plan - Israel joining the Arab league, etc. was something my friends envisaged when they moved back to Israel a month before the 2nd intefada. They make documentaries and were so looking forward to being able to travel throughout the Arab world plying their trade.

They even convinced me it was worthwhile and then... well here we are.

We drift from job to job, still chasing that dream but ... like so many, we - together with our neighbours in Aza, the West Bank, Levanon - we teeter on the edge of the abyss.




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