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The Progress Of Science


By mohammadfadel
Posted on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 09:06:58 PM EST
Tags: reform, abduh, arabs (all tags)

Why does it take so long for discredited ideas to disappear?  One colleague suggested that it is because "science progresses one retirement at a time." If that is the case, why do Muslim religious leaders seem stuck arguing the same issues, again and again, without any resolution?
 
On Wednesday, I attended a very interesting session of the combined Law & Economics/Tax Workshop where we were regaled by a colleague as to the inefficiencies that result from the United States' taxation of foreign source income. In the course of the question and answer period following the presentation, I asked the presenter a couple of questions in order to discover his theory for the persistence of what is -- at least if the presenter's theory is correct -- a significant irrationality in the U.S. Tax Code. His response was interesting: science progresses one retirement at a time. I have often thought that this insight explains a lot. Ideas or theories often are not refuted so much as they lose their ability to attract new defenders.

This essentially explains the revolution in American law that occurred at the time of the New Deal. As is well known, the Supreme Court struck down a series of laws introduced by the Roosevelt administration which were designed to address the profound crises caused by the Great Depression. A narrow majority of the Supreme Court, however, struck down all, or nearly all of these pieces of legislation as unconstitutional, usually on the grounds that the legislation exceeded Congress's power to regulate interstate commerce. President Roosevelt, growing impatient with the Court, threatened to increase the number of justices on the Supreme Court from nine to eleven so that he could appoint an additional two justices who would be more sympathetic to his legislative program. In what is now known as the Switch in Time That Saved Nine, one of the conservative justices joined the liberal minority in approving a minimum wage statute, thereby staving off Roosevelt's attempt at court packing, and also starting off a revolution in the Supreme Court's understanding of the Commerce Clause.

Whereas prior to the New Deal, the Supreme Court had attempted to to limit the legislative powers of the United States by taking a relatively restrictive view of the Commerce Clause, the jurisprudence of the New Deal court ushered in a new understanding of the Commerce Clause that contemplated virtually unlimited Congressional power, the odd case such as United States v. Lopez notwithstanding.

What does this excurcus on United States constitutional history have to do with Islamic thought? Well, let's go back to the statemenet "science progresses one retirement at a time." That may be the best explanation for the revolution in the Commerce Clause jurisprudence. It was most definitely not the case that the adherents of the expansive view of federal power suddenly became smarter than the conservative wing of the Supreme Court, or that the conserative wing of the Supreme Court suddenly realized that their reasoning was weaker than that of the liberals.

No, what happened was simply that the New Deal worked (or it was perceived to have worked), World War II broke out, and the United States successfully led the Allies in the defeat of fascism.

The lesson here is that nothing succeeds like success. The converse is almost certainly true as well: nothing fails like failure, and that may be the best explanation for the failure of Islamic reform movements. Despite their promising beginning in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, Islamic modernists movements placed their bets on modernizing the Ottoman Empire as the only effective strategy in warding off aggressive European powers. It may have been the rational strategy at the time, but it failed when the Ottoman state collapsed. As a result of the political failures of Muslim modernist movements, their intellectual underpinnings have been subject to savage attack, much of it unfair.

We need not speculate on what the world would like today if the Ottoman Empire had not been dismembered following World War I, but we almost certainly would not have seen radical Islamism. Instead, the liberal salafism of Muhammad 'Abduh would have likely carried the day and he would have been thought of today in the same manner as American lawyers think of Justice Cardozo, a brilliant and creative jurist. Because of the political defeat, however, his ideas were tarnished and discredited, and as a result, we are stuck living what seems to be the myth of the eternal return: the same issues come up, go away, and then come up again.

The clergy of the Arab world are too cowed and too insular to be able to make a decisive break with the past. This does not mean that they are stupid, only that decisive breaks with traditions akin to what occurred in the United States in the 1930s are only partially a result of new ideas: while new ideas are important, a friendly "political economy" for change is the critical factor for whether the new ideas will be able to replace the old orthodoxy, or whether the "new idea" will die a premature death.

When friendly political and social conditions predominate, progress really can be as simple as time marching on, as is implied by the statement that "science progresses one retirement at a time." In unfriendly circumstances (as is currently the case in the Arab world), the best one can hope for is a status quo that inflicts no further harm.

Without a successful political transition to democracy in a prominent Arab country, e.g. Egypt or perhaps Morocco or Algeria, there is little hope that organized Islamic movements will be able to take the baton of reform from the generation of Muhammad 'Abduh and Rashid Rida. The best hope may in fact be Turkey (although if the European Community does decide to exclude Turkey from membership, the risk of Turkey backsliding on its democratic commitments will increase dramatically).

Muslims in North America seem happy enough to practice Islam, often times in a fashion more rigorous than Muslims in Muslim countries, without much concern for whether the government is "Islamic." That ought certainly be a lesson for policymakers. Concentrate on fixing the profound failures in secular governance of Muslim (and especially Arab) countries, and it is likely you will be rewarded with a profound reduction in political violence and instability.

If we could imagine a productive and stable Muslim world, it is hard to imagine that anyone would be getting worked up about silly issues like hijab in government offices or whether one should be excused from work to attend prayer. Instead, you would have a live and let live community with a shared public space, much like what we see in North America. If that state of affairs were to come about, then we could imagine that the statement "science progresses one retirement at a time," would hold true for Muslims as well.


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and Iraq...(none / 0) (#1)
by shams on Sun Nov 19, 2006 at 09:53:42 PM EST
Dr. Fadel...in science still it is very difficult to retire even disproven ideas...witness Lynn Margulis'  epigenetic struggles in the scientific community.

i notice u don't mention Iraq as the possible site of a democracy.  Considering the enormous effort being put forth there...is it a doomed effort, in your estimation, because the current environment is inhospitable to an Iraqi democracy?

Iraq's Prospects for Democracy(none / 0) (#19)
by mohammadfadel on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 09:03:59 AM EST

At this stage, we can only hope the bloodshed stops.  Even that might be too optimistic of a goal.



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in science...(none / 0) (#20)
by shams on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 09:17:09 AM EST

we sometimes have to back out of the experiment until we get to the last place it worked...

if i had a magic wand, i would try to use to al-Islam to stop the bloodshed...declare martial shari'a law for muslims to stop killing muslims, make a theocratic arm of the gov't, like a council composed of Sistani, Sadr, and some Sunni clerics. 



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lol(none / 0) (#21)
by AnonyMouse on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 09:20:27 AM EST

"if i had a magic wand, i would try to use to al-Islam to stop the bloodshed...declare martial shari'a law for muslims to stop killing muslims, make a theocratic arm of the gov't, like a council composed of Sistani, Sadr, and some Sunni clerics."

 That's how I feel! And not just the bloodshed... use Islam to stop ALL the evil, fix ALL the problems... including poverty and global warming!


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Important Observation(none / 0) (#2)
by G. Willow Wilson on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 01:57:02 AM EST
"The clergy of the Arab world are too cowed and too insular to be able to make a decisive break with the past. This does not mean that they are stupid, only that decisive breaks with traditions akin to what occurred in the United States in the 1930s are only partially a result of new ideas: while new ideas are important, a friendly "political economy" for change is the critical factor for whether the new ideas will be able to replace the old orthodoxy, or whether the "new idea" will die a premature death."

I think this is one of the most critically important observations made with regard to Islamic reform in the past 5 years. We would all like to believe in the silver bullet; an idea or set of ideas whose very timeliness or brilliance is enough to attract followers and encourage change. But this is a pipe dream--without the proper groundwork, or 'friendly political economy' as Dr. Fadel puts it, the Mahdi himself could pass through our midst unheeded. New ideas are not enough; we must create new circumstances in which those ideas will thrive.



The "Turkish model"(none / 0) (#3)
by thabet on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 03:17:20 AM EST
But isn't a 'political friendly economy' (PFE) itself an 'idea' which requires people to believe in it? How do you get people to accept that a PFE is good for them and also not contrary to their religious beliefs? Why would that be more successful than other failed 'isms' in Egypt?

I do agree about Turkey; but is a Turkey model what you're proposing for Arab countries? That is 30-40 years of a military backed nationalist secularism in which there was a purge of the old religious order, and in which religion was firmly in the hands of the state.

I think what the Ak Party in Turkey has done is more promising for European Muslims than Arab countries, to be honest with you. It shows that, shorn of short-term political conflicts, in the longer term, Muslims in Europe will largely be social conservatives (in the European social context), with an emphasis on a particular economic model (low tax, etc.).
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democracy isn't the prerequisite(none / 0) (#4)
by azizhp on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 07:45:29 AM EST
I think that democracy here isn't a panacea; it's actually stable, liberal, constitutional government that is needed first. It might not look democratic at all - witness how reforms are being driven forward in Qatar. Thus far we have tried cold realpolitik in the middle east and then idealistic democracy promotion. Neither has gone well. What's needed is a pragmatist and realist interventional approach to fostering liberlaism. Only then, after the institutions of liberalism are nurtured, can democracy be stable.

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City of Brass: principled pragmatism at the maghrib of one age, the fajr of another


Sure, but lberal autocrats are few and far between(none / 0) (#6)
by TallDave on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 09:59:06 AM EST
Dictators generally aren't enlightened enough to allow reforms that threaten their power.  The Stalins, Castros, Kim Jong Ils, and Saddams are more prevalent than the Gorbachevs and Pinochets.  And I don't know that there's any surefire way to turn the former into the latter.  Keep in mind too that democracy is the best way to confer popular legitimacy upon a regime.

I have to disagree that democratization hasn't gone well, or at least ask: Compared to what?  The criticisms of the interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan implicitly assume there were alternatives that could have turned out better, but I have yet to hear any such scenarios that seem realistic.  It seems likely that the concomitant violence and freedom we see in those places now is the least of possible evils.

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offer of proof(none / 0) (#15)
by shams on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 12:53:02 PM EST
talldave, the problem with rudy's stats is that none of the initial conditions for any liberal democracy remotely resemble Iraq's.
i think i can prove that democracy CANNOT be instantiated in the Iraq environment with maths from evolutionary games theory.
would that convince u that democracy is/was a mistake for Iraq, at least the bush doctrine model?

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Dynamics of repression(none / 0) (#5)
by TallDave on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 08:49:18 AM EST
I think the primary reason the mullahs don't break from extremism is that the present Arab power structure makes it impossible.

Under these repressive Arab regimes, there can be only two loci of power -- the state, and the only institution the state cannot crush our of hand: the mosque. This is why the opposition in all the Arab countries always seems to made of up Islamic extremists. There's nowhere else for power to coalesce. Democratic activists? In jail. Trade unions? Mostly banned.  Liberal free press to rally the people to moderates?  Ha.

As Rudy Rummel has demonstrated, 99% of the major problems in the world can be traced to the unchecked will to power.  Liberal democracies experience virtually no famines, war, or democides.




...paradigm shifts....(none / 0) (#7)
by razib on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 10:45:19 AM EST
there is different potential for paradigm shifts in different disciplines. i would say the more 'humane' the discipline the more important social consensus, as opposed to some 'truth out there,' is. the main exception to this is mathematics which is grounded in a priori logic on a very deep and precise level.  in physics reality is a clear and defined arbiter. chemistry is fuzzier, and much of biology fuzzier still with its statistical truths which do not map well onto verbal analogies.  once you move into the social sciences, you have a two-fold problem

  1. experiment is often difficult (e.g., economics)

  2. the parameters are often confounding (there's a lot of floating variables you have to tease apart, e.g., sociology)

  3. emotional investment is greater. people invest a lot more personal feeling into economic or sociological issues than they do in particle physics

  4. intuitive psychology is more prominent in that the 'person on the street' can 'relate' and believe they have explanations

in other words, the po-mo/deconstructionist critique is rather applicable to humane studies.

Language(none / 0) (#12)
by thabet on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 12:46:43 PM EST
However, the language even scientists must use is subject to social consensus. And when the existing language is not sufficient, new terms are coined and invented.

I do, however, agree with the 'grading' of different disciplines.
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...muslim puleez(none / 0) (#13)
by razib on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 12:51:06 PM EST
are you getting wittgenstein on my ass?

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I heart Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus(none / 0) (#14)
by thabet on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 12:52:34 PM EST
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...but seriously(none / 0) (#16)
by razib on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 01:12:10 PM EST
i have noted before in evolutionary biology that a lot of "arguments" are semantic quibbling once you reduce the issues into their quantitative analogs.  the human element emerges from the jockying of scientists making reputations who need to "refute" the arguments of the other camp, when a lot of the difference and distinction from verbal mappings of the quantitative concepts (e.g., gradualism vs. punc. eq.). the problem with human sciences is peeling back the semantics still leaves a basic core which is emotionally relevant so that detachment is fundamentally more difficult.  econometrics might be dry, but it is immediate real world impact in terms of public policy.

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Disciplines(none / 0) (#17)
by thabet on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 01:10:12 AM EST

Here's how I see it:

All disciplines have 'rules' for entry and approval, in which we accept their epistemology and ontology. This includes technical terminology and jargon. These 'rules' are themselves subject to change, depending whatever new is learnt or so-called 'changes in paradigm'. These rules may be rigid, lax, well ordered, difficulty to define, policied with rigour or not at all, and there are good reasons, historical prejudices and vested interests which aid the definition of these rules too. Medicine has different rules to literary criticism, for example, and I think we're all thankful for that!

For some disciplines, as you say the 'humane' disciplines, where certain methods are difficult compared to others (e.g. economics, social sciences versus biology and physics), these are more susceptible to rule changes or splintering of the discipline into either sectarian camps, or totally new disciplines. Other issues like resources also come into play; it is easier for a non-specialist to enter and meet the approval of historians than nuclear physics; the cost of books is a lot less than the cost of building a laboratory.

Whilst I'm inclined to agree that there is much semantic quibbling in all of this intra- and inter-disciplinary friction, I am not sure we can be as dismissive or reductionist as you suggest; semantics is usually all we have with which to convey what we're saying, so ascertaining what is being said is important.


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...agreed, about semantics(none / 0) (#18)
by razib on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 01:15:50 AM EST

"<font><font class="normfont">semantics is usually all we have with which to convey what we're saying, so ascertaining what is being said is important."</font></font>

in fact, my own exp. is that much of the dispute between "schools" is often in large part due to semantical emphases. not all, but quite a bit.



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America works because it is an immigrant nation(none / 0) (#8)
by Irving on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 12:09:15 PM EST
America works because it is an immigrant nation, a melting pot of cultures, religions, races, under a set of laws made as a great experiment in freedom. How free we really are, and what cost that freedom was purchased is a matter of history. Slavery, genocide of the Native Americans, etc. Nonetheless, in this day and age, the Patriot Act notwithstanding, America works because elected representatives have to be just that, elected.  

What Muslim country has a large minority of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Asians, blacks, etc, living in it? Theocracies support only those within the same religion, the same nationality, the same tribe sometimes. How many Arab rulers will give up some of their power to form a European Union type confederation? How many Muslim rulers would?

Humans think in patterns, and as we age, the patterns become set. That's one of the reasons young scientists make real breakthroughs and discoveries. The pattern thinking has not set in and they see the world with fresh eyes. And the Muslim world really needs fresh young eyes and hearts and muscles to work for basic human rights of free speech, freedom of religion, freedom to think, yes to think about problems in a new way.

...these countries(none / 0) (#9)
by razib on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 12:16:38 PM EST
What Muslim country has a large minority of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Asians, blacks, etc, living in it?

malaysia, lots of buddhists, hindus and christians
bangladesh, lots of hindus
indonesia, lots of christians and hindus
egypt, coptic christians
kazakhstan, lots of russian orthodox
albania, lots of catholics and orthodox
bosnia, lots of catholics and orthodox
eritrea, almost the same number of muslims and christians
many, many, nations in africa....


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...and of course(none / 0) (#10)
by razib on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 12:40:14 PM EST
What Muslim country has a large minority of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, Asians, blacks, etc, living in it?

all of the gulf arab countries have large non-muslim and non-arab minorities which they treat like indentured servants. not too different from how illegal migrants are treated in the USA!  immigration makes us stronger :)

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...mistake(none / 0) (#11)
by razib on Mon Nov 20, 2006 at 12:41:01 PM EST
please don't take my analogy between american illegals to the 'guest workers' in places like the gulf literally. american illegals have it easy.

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you and me both(none / 0) (#22)
by shams on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 09:24:48 AM EST

Mouse, you are so going to love the book im reading now.

It isn't published yet, but it is so beautiful

The chapter on the Just Duty reminds me of you.

=) 



Oooh!(none / 0) (#23)
by AnonyMouse on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 09:38:05 AM EST

What's it called? If you recommend it, I want to read it! :)


Musings of a Muslim Mousehttp://www.muslimmouse.blogspot.com
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not published yet..(none / 0) (#24)
by shams on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 09:45:33 AM EST
but i will let u know.

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That sucks :((none / 0) (#25)
by AnonyMouse on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 09:51:13 AM EST
But insha'Allah it'll be published soon! :)
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