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The Eteraz.Org Herd Lover Prize


By Ali Eteraz
Posted on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 12:57:23 AM EST
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Let's face it: we're the herd. The Rank and File. The laymen. The 'amma in Arabic. The People. We are smart, that's true. We can use big words, that's true. We can act intellectually superior, that's true. What we lack, however, is facility with facts. When it comes to facts, we have to rely on the specialists, the professionals, the professors, the academics, the researchers. We have to rely on the Elites.

Problem is that the Elites rarely ever talk to us. Not on our terms at least. When they do talk to us it is to advance their books and attend their speeches and in lingo that we do not understand. What we need are Elites who talk to us as equals, in the terminology of the regular person.

To encourage more of this -- especially among the Muslim intellegentsia -- I propose that we create the Eteraz Herd Lover Prize. It will be a $500 one time prize that will be given to the one Elite who best exemplifies the quality of blurring intellectual hierarchies.

Let's kick this around. I imagine this means that I have to register Eteraz.Org as a non-profit and all that jazz. (Yay, more work).

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Good idea... Bad name(none / 0) (#1)
by Abu Sahajj on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 04:25:59 AM EST
I think this is a great idea, however, the name could be something a little more desirable. I mean herd lover is comical and all but, it would be nice if this was considered a serious matter upon entering the door... for many of us it would be. By the way... thanks for this forum... it is the slashdot of the Islam.



position of knowledge(none / 0) (#2)
by yursil on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 08:14:27 AM EST

Problem is that the Elites rarely ever talk to us. Not on our terms at least. When they do talk to us it is to advance their books and attend their speeches and in lingo that we do not understand. What we need are Elites who talk to us as equals, in the terminology of the regular person.

What is wrong with intellectual hierarchies?

I'm not too keen of the idea that everyone can understand everything without committment.  There is some benefit to respecting knowledge, its various levels, and those who have it.  If that means that they are a step removed from 'the herd', whats the problem?   

Franky, I'm much more afraid of the idea that we should reward those who are best at dumbing down the complexities of history, religion, and explosive physics. 

The latter reminding me of the Anarchist Cookbook...

Maybe a reward for those who are the most pragmatic with their knowledge would be better?  Pragmatic, in that they actually help change peoples lives.



ditto me(none / 0) (#3)
by shams on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 09:04:17 AM EST

i like the idea, but not the name.

Eteraz Memetic Engineering Award?

im of the herd..but i study and read..their books are the way they spread the virus of knowledge.  ;) 



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Have you tried(none / 0) (#4)
by Samaha on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 09:42:56 AM EST

Just emailing the intellectuals that you would like to visit your site?

I found that when looking for keynote speakers, that the intellectuals were more than willing to correspond.

I've emailed back and forth between a few and spent much time speaking with Fadl's assistant Grace (he hates emailing), but he took ill and wasn't able to make any commitments while we were corresponding.

 Just try emailing them.



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Rewarding Clarity or Celebrity?(none / 0) (#8)
by chatterwaul on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 07:03:37 PM EST

Samaha is right that Islamic Scholars would probably welcome the right opportunity to interact. Many of them are kudos hounds anyway.

You should be clear if Eteraz.org is rewarding scholars who make Islam sound intellectual in an appealing manner or if you intend to award inspiring works by jury that touch people's lives and inspire and deepen their faith. Or... Or...

Fundamentally, since Islam means many many different things to many many people, what it boils down to often, is simply celebrity. People who fit a certain broadbrush stroke across the populace of general muslim "amma."

I suggest that you focus your energies on up and coming scholars and authors, WG Wilson and this sort, who are clarifying certain cultural or spiritual angles of Islam for a Western, English speaking audience.

These people need publicity and achievements to advance their careers and the scope of projects they can take on.

There is an additional benefit, a symbiosis. Eteraz.org can award the scholar, make press releases available and work the publicity angle both ways: Author and Eteraz.org both get better known by such a celebration of achievement in knowledge.

Award the emerging talent. Let the established scholars be.

We need fresh ideas, not rehash. 



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Nice(none / 0) (#11)
by OmarG on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 08:09:31 PM EST
Nice. It IS the up and coming talent who need the recognition most of all, Ali.

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Its this(none / 0) (#10)
by OmarG on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 08:06:38 PM EST
If that means that they are a step removed from 'the herd', whats the problem? 
Because its elitism. Egalitarian cultures are uncomfortable with explicit recognitions of heirarchy. I think its mostly because of the implication that there are privelages that go along with it. For me, its because they loose touch with the needs of the people because, as is natural for humans, being a step above others in the hierarchy produces even a subtle arrogance. To get around this, some of the famous scholars and leaders (not always the same thing!) of the past whom I admire the most were the ones who insisted on earning a living in the market and not claiming or accepting privelages. How far we've come when we want to rationalize elitism despite having suffered from several centuries of its effects!

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baaa, mooo, cluck?(none / 0) (#5)
by Patricio on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 10:56:12 AM EST

You will know I need the "dumbing down".

I enthusiastically support the idea; making animal noises is my usual response to incomprehensible offerings. While the idea that one should tackle the various texts in order to improve oneself has some merit, that is a rather large undertaking, just to understand some specialist's article. Most of us herd beasts don't wish to work that hard at it - you are talking about perhaps thousands of hours devoted to various specialties.

Communication is for transfer of data or feelings from one person to another or others. It depends on the intended audience, of course, but anything which prevents the communication from arriving, whether unusual terminology or overly complex structure, inhibits understanding from taking place. If understanding is the intention of the communicator, then it is in his/her best interests to write on the level of the receivers. Since it's impossible to know in advance what the education level of this group will be, then one would be wise to assume a somewhat unspecialized audience and would explain in ordinary language, any specialized terms within the text. It isn't that hard to do. There are a number of people who find it possible or even easy. In fact, some of them reside right here.

Perhaps, if "herd" isn't palatable, (is there a spell-check feature here?) then an alternate title, such as: gaggle, flock, rabble (that would be me), or (as in crows) cruelty. Frankly, cruelty would be appropriate for being forced to listen to some of the lofty scratchings of some Elites.

I always appreciate the willingness of an expert to ensure my understanding. Some degree of humility and patience on the part of the writer are required in order for that to occur.

I promise to work hard to pay attention - that's my part of the transaction. If the writer wants me to drop everything and read a pile of books relating to his field, well.... 





Oooh, awesome!(none / 0) (#6)
by AnonyMouse on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 02:03:12 PM EST

I need this especially.

I know that I'm reasonably intelligent (al-Hamdulillah), but those academic papers and stuff make me feel dizzy and give me the urge to kill a couple brain cells by watching TV.


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If you don't mind some suggestions(none / 0) (#7)
by Samaha on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 06:34:05 PM EST

Instead of making it a cash award to the Elitist for the herd, make it a charitable contribution to the charity of their choice.

You may even consider up-ing the award money and having them split the prize money with the charity of their choice.  I think that you can figure out what makes the charitable contribution a draw.  That makes the competition a wothwhile and honorable sort of competition.  Not to mention that you can not only target the Elites, but the charity organizations as well.

I'll email you the site that I use as a resource for scholars.





Nominations for the Eteraz Herd Lovers Prize(none / 0) (#9)
by Irving on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 08:03:47 PM EST

Dear Judges of the Eteraz Prize:

Can I nominate Ali Eteraz? He fits the criteria, and is also one of the nicest people I know :)

 I await your reply.

 Ya Haqq!



no(none / 0) (#12)
by Ali Eteraz on Sat Nov 25, 2006 at 08:10:01 PM EST

soory irving, i cant be nominated

besides, im herd



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A differing viewpoint(none / 0) (#13)
by boadicea on Sun Nov 26, 2006 at 08:00:08 AM EST
If you want to breakdown the walls between the people and the elites, why reinforce that as an extraordinary interaction?

Invite them to participate with the understanding they can expect to be engaged by this audience.

After all, the elites are also the people, at the heart of it all.
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